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>> chris: i'm kris wallace. the supreme court hands obama a victory but handing mitt romney a new issue. we'll find out what president obama thinks of the court decision and how health care reform will work in the real world from white house chief-of-staff. republicans promised to wipe the law off of the books . we'll discuss the gop plan for repeal and replace with the senate's top opinion mitch mcconnell. obama care and the 2012 election . how will court's ruling will play on the campaign trail all right now on "fox news sunday". and hello again from fox news in
washington. the supreme court issued a historic ruling in obama care this week but that didn't end the intense debate. joining us in new york to discuss the ruling is white house chiefev staff jack lew. welcome back to "fox news sunday". >> guest: thank you, kris. >> chris: now the court upheld the ruling does the president feels it is safe or does he have to have a hurdle in the election . >> guest: the supreme court rules and it isitutional. we were proceeding to implement the law. and the thing that american people want is for the desissiveness. when kids graduate from college and before they get a job they have health insurance. people who had $600 bills to pay
on prescription drugs are cored. families don't have to worry if they will hit lifetime limits. we need to get on with the implementation and that's what we will do. >> chris: you know the debate will not stop. republicans including governor romney will talk about repeal and replace. that is wrong. >> guest: anyone who wants to repeal they will have to talk about why they are losing the benefits. and start the debate. if you want uncertainty and tell the business community that we are going forward, calm things down and we'll give it a chance and implement. once the law passes the congress and the supreme court upholds it. others might choose to have a debate.
i think the american people want us to focus on the economy and creating jobs and moving forward. we sent congress a plan to create million more jobs and in home refinancing and building our roads, it is time to move on to the agenda that the american people want us to worry about. >> chris: governor romney believes and republicans believe that having all of the man dates and regulations is hurting jobs and a lot of businessmen say i don't know if i can hire because it costs me more money because of health care. >> guest: if there is a debate about taxes we'll welcome that. we have cut taxes $3600 for middle class. it cuts taxes for middle class another $4000. the only thing that puts a burden is a penalty for those who can afford insurance and
choose not to buy it. it is one percent of the population. in massachusetts where this was tested in the plan that governor romney put in place. one percent of the population paid the penalty. the congressional office looked at this. it would be one percent. and other 99 percent it means that they and their family get coverage and the benefits will offer better coverage and they don't have to worry about leesing health insurance. >> if i may mr. lew, the president mades in the 2008 campaign. since the ruling by the chief justice that the man date is a tax. they put out a noting what the president said to voters in 2008. >> if you are making less than $250,000 a year, you will not
see your taxes go up. >> you will not see one dime's worth of taxes. >> question. didn't the president break that promise? >> guest: if you go back and look at laws that are enacted, we have cut taxes for those families >> chris: but according to the -- >> guest: what the supreme court said. it was constitutional and didn't matter what congress called it. >> chris: wait a minute, sir. mr. lew they called it a tax. >> guest: they said commence clause and taxing powers. that's what they said. >> chris: i can't let you go there. it specifically said it is not constitutional under the commerce clause and it constitutional under the tax and raising taxes for the middle class, let's look at record.
nonpartisan congressional budget office estimates in 2016 four million americans will pay the tax. and they would make less than 120,000 and the cbo said between 2012 and 2021, they will pay 27 billion in additional taxes. so if i may finish my question and i promise to let you talk. the middle class is taking a hit by what the supreme court said is a tax? >> guest: look at all of the laws enacted. you wouee they have a tax cut. all of the independent analyst whether it is the congressional office or others will evaluate >> chris: i am not arguing that. i am saying this is a tax increase on the middle class of 27 billion over the next 10 years. >> brian: no, this law said if you can afford insurance and
choose not to buy it and have your health cost be a burden to others. you will pay a penalty. that's what the law said. for the 99 percent of the people who buy insurance and get it with the tax cuts that are in the act, are not affected. for the few people who decide to be pree riders and not have insurance there is a penalty. it is not a burden on the middle class. >> chris: again, nonpartisan cbo said four million americans will pay the tax . let's look at why chief rojustice robesty berts. it will be collect enforced by the internal revenue. you pay a percentage of the income and here's what the president's lawyer told the court in defending the mandate.
>> not only is it fair to read it as an exercise of the tax power but this court contrued it as a tax power. >> chris: if it walks and quacks like a duck, it is a duck. >> guest: kris, it is a long time since i practiced one of the things of the judicial system you can argue to the court on multiple grounds. that's what they were doing. it was set up not called a tax. powers that congress has and you can justify a law under multiple ways. the court took that route. it was defined as a penalty of the law and something that the people choose whether or not to be subject to. most americans want health insurance and 99 percent of the americans will take advantage of the act. one percent that choose not to have insurance, they don't control whether they will be in an accident or struck by
illness. if they end up in the hospital and have to have expensive treatment those costs will be paid. this penalty said you cannot be ree rider and go without any payment. and the penalty is that payment. very few people will choose it in massachusetts one percent of the people choose to have that health insurance. >> chris: there is a lot of taxes, sir, that people choose to pay or not depending on their action. cigarette tax i don't pay because i don't moke. but others pay because they smoke. there are plenty of taxes that are discretionary in terms of your behavior. would you agree in chief justice robert's ruling, he said it is only constitutl only as a tax? >> guest: what the opinion said that there are multiple powers that congress has to make law. this is constitutional. >> chris: that's not what he
said. i will move ahead. states don't have to expand medicaid as obama care requires. a number of republican governors say they may opt out. if they do, what happens to millions of folks who fall under the expansive of medicare up to 133 percent of the poverty level and doesn't that prevent if those governors opt out doesn't that prevent universal coverage. >> guest: i don't don't understand why they wouldn't let people take advantage of the medicaid coverage. >> chris: it is only in the few years. >> guest: and then close to hundred percent it is in the 90 percent range. look at the history of medicaid in 1960s when it was created and 1990s child health program was put in place. over time, states all choose to
come n it doesn't all happen at once. the vast majority of the states will come in right away. that's what most states will do. governors will have to make their decisions and the whole law is built around states implementing the health law . we have proposed legislation to give more flexibility to the states is a law that will cover millions of people who don't now have health insurance. i hope the states come around in the states that are slow to accept the coverage and add it. >> chris: what would you say to a governor who considers they now have the option and will not get involved with that because it costs me down the line. >> guest: those governors have to answer people in the state. they are working people who are low wages and don't have health care. >> chris: let's start.
some would say we are talking about this. governor romney said that he will end obama care on day one of his presidency. it raises taxes by 500 billion and cuts medicare by 500 billion and adds trillion to the defic are you happy to see obama care to be a revverundum in this election? >> guest: i think the facts are different than that. congressional office made it clear it saves and not spends money and helps to get control of health care spending more broadly. governor romney put a plan in place that has many features the affordable care act itself. it would be eligible immediately because of that. i don't think that the american people want to have the debate again. they don't want to be pulled back to get to where we are.
the law is constitutional. we should implement it. the president wants to work across party lines and there are things done to'm prove the law . we need to move on and deal with economy and jobs. we are running out of time. i have a couple of quick questions. the justice department told the house it will not prosecute attorney general holder on the house's citation of holder for criminal contempt. did the president aprouv that decision? >> guest: executive privilege is approved by the president and the justice department relied on the reagan commission that you don't prosecute after prive ledge is provoked. >> chris: does the president think that is right for the justice department to ignore the
house siting of holder for contempt. >> guest: we made clear that the actions of the house were politicalal and not based in fact. the facts of fast and furous. it was a bad procedure to run guns to mexico and strarted in the bush administration. the attorney general didn't know about it but he learned about it and stopped it because it was wrong. he gave all of the information to congress. there is now a phishing expedition that go beyond finding those facts. >> chris: we point out that in february of 2011, two months after the border patrol agent briantery died. the justice department denied thatt existed. that created confusion. >> guest: and to finish that story, the attorney general made clear he didn't know about that
before that. that letter would not have gone. something bad was going on and the justice department recognized that the attorney general stopped it. >> chris: it took him len months to retract the letter. in the investigation of national security leaks, the pentagon has ordered all of the top relevant officials to preserve all of their documents, the director of national intelligence said agents must take lie detector. as chief-of-staff, have you ordered that to your staff. >> guest: i can't speak to the details of how investigations are responding to. those details themselves are classified >> chris: no. it is out there that the pentagon is ordering documents be preserve dni having polygraph. >> guest: there will be full
cooperation and the fact of the matter is, that the president feels very strongly that we need to find out where the leaks happened. he relies on classified information to make life or death decisions. there is no one more concerned than the president >> chris: does he agree to questioning himself. >> guest: i will not speak to how the details will be handled. >> chris:ing we'll leave it there. mr. lew, thank you for being with us. up next. how the president will try to -- republicans will try to repeal obama care. af the break. night, stuffy. goodnight, outdated. goodnight old luxury and all of your wares. goodnight bygones everywhere. [ engine turns over ] good morning, illumination.
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>> chris: joiningugs now from home state of kentucky is senate republican leader mitch can you think -- mitch mcconnell. welcome back. guest good morning. >> chris: are you persuaded. >> guest: he's doing the best
he can with a toh situation. the president said it was not a tax and the supreme court said it is it a tax. the tax is going to be levied and 77 percent of it on americans making $127,000 a year. it is a middle class tax
increase. beyond that, kris in the core of the bill it is worth reminding people half trillion in cut to medicare, hospitals and nursing home and home health care and the like. 500 billion tax ipcrease. the congressional budget office said it is a job killer and cost the economy between 800,000 to a million jobs. this is the single worst piece of legislation that is passed in modern times and it will be an issue. a big issue in the fall election. i think the chief justice said it is up to the american people to decide. we have one last chance to defeat obama care and we can do that in the november election. >> chris: since the supreme court chief justice roberts declared it is actually a tax, you have hammered the president
for imposing a new tax on the middle class, but mitt romney has a man date in his message of the massachusetts health care reform and they paid more than million in the man date penalty tax or whatever you want to call it. isn't that a romney tax on the middle class. >> guest: i have two thoughts that. was a decision and not a national decision. every single democratic senator voted for obama care. it passed with not a vote to spare. every democratic incumbent was the deciding vote. it is deeply unpopular with the american people and the senate races will be a revverundum on the health increasing measure. >> chris: if the obama mandate
is a tax on the middle class isn't the romney mandate a tax on the middle class. >> guest: mitt romney utto speak on what is going on in massachusetts. i can tell you every democratic senator voted for the tax increase and 500 billion in medicare and it will be a huge issue in 2012. the chief justice said it will be decided by the american people and that's why have elections and we'll have one first tuesday in november. >> chris: let's move on. if voters elect a republican president and senate, your top priority will be to repeal and replace obama care. i want to drill down into that with you. one of the keys to obama care is that it will extend insurance acess to 30 million people who are now uninsured. in your replacement how would you provide universal coverage.
>> guest: the single best thing we could do for the health care syste get rid of obama care and half trillion in medicare cuts and rid of half trillion in taxes. in other words, the single biggest step in the direction of improving american health care is to get rid of the mon trosity >> chris: how would you provide union versal coverage? >> guest: i will get to it in a minute. first step to get rid of what is there. the job-killing proposal that has all of the cuts to existing health care providers. secondly go step by step to replace it with model reform. there will not be a 2700 page republican alternative and take a meat axe. we'll pull out a scalpel and go step by step and make changes
that deal with the principle issue costs innerstate sales of health insurance. right now you don't have competition around the country in the selling of health insurance. that is a mistake. things like lawsuit reform. billions of dollars lost by hospitals and doctors. >> chris: respectfully sir, we are going to run out of time. what specifically are you doing to provide universal coverage to the 30 million people who are uninsured? >> that is not the issue. the question is how to go step by step to improve the american health care system. it is the finest >> chris: but you don't think that 30 million. unare is an issue? >> we'll not turn it into a western pene pone system. that's exactly is at the heart of obama care.
they want to take and have the federal government take over all of american health care. the federal government can't handle medicare or medicaid. we need to clean up what they are responsible for and before we start immodestly. >> chris: but. let me ask another question. obama care guarantees that people who have preexisting conditions and don't have health insurance cannot be denied coverage because of that preexisting condition. if you repeal obama care. how will you protect those people with pxisting conditions. >> guest: over the half of the states have a risk pools that deal with that issue. i don't think anybody thinks that the federal government can take over the whole area all of the health care for 300 million merrence and take - americans
and make it better. it ought to be done in the state level. >> chris: insurance companies say they can't afford to make the deal and they can't take anybody if they have a preexistings condition unless they get all of the customers from the man date >> guest: that's what the high risk pools are for, kris. >> chris: you are saying that would take care of people who don't have insurance and want insurance and are denied it because of a preexisting condition. >> guest: it ought to be dealt with the state and over half of the states are developed. >> chris: even if you win a majority in the senate, chances are democrats will have enough votes to conduct a filibuster and republican colleagues are suggesting that the way even with the republican majority that you can undue obama care is through a budget process called
reconciliation. and now, that is what the democrats used the 51 vote reconcilization to pass obama care. would you use reconciliation to do it. >> guest: chief justice said it is it a tax . taxes are reconcilable and that measure can be pursued and if i am the leader of the majority. the repeal of obama care will be job one. i think we will also be sting that we have a vote on obama care before the election. but in terms of achieving it. it would take a different senate with a majority leader and president. yes, that could be done with simple 51 votes. when they passed obama care through reconciliation you called it secretive and
anti-democratic and anti-partisan. why the difference? >> first time it passed it got 60 votes. there were 60 democrats and 40 republicans and they were able to pass permanent law. look, reconciliation is available because the supreme court declared it a tax. they unearthed the massive deception practiced by the president and democrats. you heard the chief-of-staff continue to try to deny it was a tax just this morning as the chief justice made it clear it is it a tax. it is eligible for reconciliation. >> chris: i want to ask you about chief justice roberts, some are saying he is a traitor and he sharply curtails congress's ability to use
commence and tell states what to do or punish them if they don't. how do you read the robert's ruling? >> it was deeply disappointing. i think kennedy got it ride. he found it unconstitutional and said clearly congress would not have passed the rest without those two pillars that he found unconstitutional. he and three others. four justices agreed that the whole thing should be replaced. i am sorry it didn't happen and huge mistake for the country and the chief justice declared it as a tax and upheld it . now the american people will have the final decision. i am confident they will give us votes. >> chris: do you not see anything for conservative in what justice roberts said about the commerce clause and dictating. >> i agree with that and other
four justices felt that way as well. >> chris: senator mcmcconnell thank for coming in. we'll stay on top of
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>> it should be clear i didn't do this because it was good politics. but i did it because it was good for the country. >> the supreme court did nothing to improve the fail health care it is unworkable and unaffordable. >> president obama taking advantage to try to persuade voters they will like health care and the senator is having none television. brit hume fox news analyst . liz marlantf the christian science monitor. fox news correspondant shannon bream who covers the supreme court and charles lane from the washington post. chief justice roberts ruling closes off the legall avenue as a way to overturn obama care but doesn't end the political debate. brit, how secure is obama care as a big government program to go forward. >> as a slice of legislative
matter it is more vulnenerable to repeal than before. it being a tax opens the possibility that it will be dealt with anded on and repealed using a process called budget reconciliation. a simple majority of 51 is enough to undo the law. and further more in terms of the popularity of the law, in jack lew's interview was a classic illustration. already unpopular now it turns out it will involve a sizable tax increase and the administration is terribly eager not to have that get around as can you see. as a legislative matter, the law is on shakier ground and upheld under the commerce clause it would be different. >> chris: liz, how secure is obama care. >> i am not totally sure if i
agree with that. it is unclear it will be for republicans to repeal using reconciliation. perhaps that portion can be repealed. but other parts of the law. you don't deny coverage to people with preexisting conditions that have to be dealt with. if they can't get that through reconciliation. it would be a bigger mess. republicans talk about defund. and then president rom no and republican senate would be responsible for having created. i am not sure it is passing so easily. >> the penalty/tax was a fund and whole provision you can't deny based on preexisting conditions. they are intertwined. >> there are democrats that say you take the budget issues out
and they are separate from other parts of the law. it creates a bigger mess. i am not sure it is necessarily so easy even with 50 republican votes in the senate. >> i want to dig down in the chief justice's ruling and shannon, i want to ask you the same question as i mitch mcconnell. roberts set new limpts on what congress can regulate under the guise of the commerce clause and set new lims on what the federal government can man date that states have to do. in terms was long-term constitutional implication? >> it will be so tough if anyone wants to pass a similar program. it will not be an easy opinion. if anything, it was strong language. >> chris: one that the chief
justice was here. >> and so it is going to be tough to look to it as a top precedent for making similar arguments. and tough language commerce clause is not right to do individuals from cradle to grave. he ston stantly turned i back to the legislative process. the court didn't express wisdom that judgment is reserved to the people. this goes back to your legislators if you don't like it take it up with them. >> chris: you know the court far better. is that unusual for a justice to say. it is up to the voters. it seemed like a invitation over turn it at the polls. >> this is a mind field that roberts tucked in to folks who supported the law. they didn't like it but he uphill it.
he provided tools and potential outs for people who don't like this. it is unusual. but he said i don't get to the merits. i tell you to take it up elsewhere. >> chris: charles, how significant is this ruling? >> you know, i have been watching john roberts since he was arguing cases as a lawyer and i always had the impression while everyone else is playing checkers john roberts is playing chest. he sacrificed the pawn to put the entire great society in check. he did t by getting two level justices to agree that there are serious limitation on the federal government's ability to use the spending power to get the states to cooperate in welfare and education programs work. medicaid and he's done that and gotten liberal to applaud.
when voting rights act and affirmative action in colleges come up before the court and he votes with the other four conservatives. all of the liberals will have to acknowledge that the fair minded statesman was involved in that decision . he is a man of great brilliance and all of the conservatives who are griping need to give it a second thought. >> chris: there is a lot of chatter that perhaps roberts switched his vote and first on the side of the conservatives and then on the so-called liberals and may have been cowed by the outside liberals who said it would show how partisan the court was and five conservives was. do you buy any of that and do you believe he switched his vote? >> i is a lejet mate theory. the president from the rose garden publicly called out the court and said he was confident
they would not do something unprecedented. senator patrick leahy and railed on robers and talked about the court was losing the confidence of the american people. if you read the dissent it sounded at one point it was written as a majority of opinion. did they have the vote and lose it. i think it is highly possible. >> brit, i was interested today to get my advance copy of time magazine roberts rules and there is a lot of coverage of the chief justice. do you expect to see the main steam media revise the opinion of john ring from right wing to a states man? >> for a while. it is reasonable to say whether he switched his vote or not. the decision was more institutional than constitutional. the matter of it being a tax
requires strained reasoning. and i read the portion. opinion in which he said it has the earmarks was a tax . read the dissent on that. it is much more compelling on that. i think it a strained piece of legal reasoning and a tactical and strastetic piece of jurisprudence that laid mine fields. and i think that i really like chuck's suggestion that roberts is playing chess and everybody else playing checkerings. >> i would say again, those who suggest that there is something sort of peta fogish and it is a bunch of legal -- are berts sees it as more important to secure long-term objectives and important to get liberal to buy into them and they can't complain when he unfolds his
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>> this idea enjoyed support from both parties. >> if we want to get rid of obama care, we'll have to replace obama. we'll have to do that. >> chris: president obama and governor romney waisting no time to turn the supreme court ruling back into a weapon. congressional republicans, we saw mitch mcconnell pick up on chief justice ruling that the mandate is a tax . president obama broke his pledge. liz, how effective is that argument, especially given the
fact that romney has his own man date in massachusetts. >> i think there will be challenges on both sides. this has been a tricky issue for the bum - obama wight white. you know they want to talk about the economy you know it is not a good issue for them. something about obama in his own campaign did not compain for an individual man date and i think it is coming back it hurt him in part. he campaigned against it and now passes it and now has to defend it and now he's having to defend it against someone who passed one himself. arguably it was romney signature achient and i think that is awkward for romney to go out there and essentially claim and run away from his own record and try to attack obama on this. we'll have new job numbers come
out and that will shift the conversation again. one thing i will say. this will give a new dynamic to the senate realizes the republican senate candidates will try to use the momentum on this to push forward a return to majority. >> chris: mcconnell saivery one was voting for a tax increase . how about the presidential race man date for a tax plays out. >> it burns it. that's why jack lew acted the way he acted. they will not call it a tax. they know how it is as tax and responding to what liz is saying. there is a subset of voters who are going to be influenced by their desire to get rid of obama care. now how many of them will vote for obama because rom no had a
man date as governor? my answer not many. he pledged to overturn it and i don't think they will be persuaded to go the other way because he was once guilty of this. >> chris: charles to the degree of the election that it becomes an referendum on obama care. on one hand the president can empcise the parts of the plan that are popular and kids staying on their parent's insurance until they are 26 and en romney said that it feeds on the idea that obama is a big government president. >> politically. the best results of the republican party would be ruling upholding the man date and the reason for that. this election are pursuing it as a base mobilizing election.
get your loyalist motivated to go to the polls and nothing motivated the republican case like the boogie man of obama care and now you heard mitt romney or mitch mcconnell said it is our last chance. for those on the republican base who are dedicated to getting rid of obama care. go to the poem in mass numbers and vote out all of the democrats and in that regard. i think it is advantage republicans politically. >> i can see that both ways, snnon, if the court had thrown out obama care special said it was unconstitutional. then you have constitutional law lecturer who spent a year on someone's time. and on the other hand does it mobilize as charles is suggesting the conseshative and tea party activist who are not
keen on romney. >> there were thousands of them outside of the court . on thursday when we got the opinion. they continued to rally all throughout the bells and don't turn on me flags and say this is it. you have awakened a sleeping party. we are coming back stronger than ever. it is interesting though to step away from the inside of the beltway. i went to the dentist on friday. president yesterday.or the this is great for his campaign. we have to remember those who lost in the opinion on thursday, want to have political spin . those who are not -- they think the president won big. >> her dentist does a great job. beautiful teeth. >> i am not sure about his political accolade. >> how do you weigh that. it would have been a disaster
for the president if overturned and on the other hand, does the fact that winner celebrate and losers mobilize. >> it would have been worse if it was overturned it would have been embarrassing and allowed romney to make the argument that obama's first term was waste he could have fixed the economy and instead try to pass a huge thing that ended up no where. that would have been the worse outcome. the question will be whether the whoit white try t make a concerted effort to sell the bill. >> what? >> i am saying, they still are gun shy. >> how many speeches f did bark obama. >> he made dozens of speeches. dogs don't like the dog food. this bill is consistently unpopular since perfect it was passed and remains so today . the idea that it is
constitutionally legitimate and a tax is not going to help it. >> i agree with you. i think it is problematic saying american people are going to like the bill once it is implement realize how great it is. we can't sell it until. that is a problem. >> you cannot underestimate the extent to which businesses peel it it is a drag on their planning and a deterrent to hire so forth. it feeds that into the bigger issue which is the economy and i think these two things go together and i think they are burdensome to the president. >> i agree with liz it is a tricky one for romney, too. they could reach a deal whether neither have to talk about health care reform and they would both bea happy. it will be interesting to reflect on the obama
administration to tak it to the supreme court in the election year. they had the option of pursuing it in lower courts further. i think it was a lose-lose proposition for them. they would have lost they actually lost the ruling and then embarrassment and then i think they still lose. by having the individual man date upheld and labeled as a tax by the chief justice of the united states it mobilizes the base like nothing else the republicans would have. >> i agree with that. i don't think it is unpopular because he didn't try to sell it. he hasn't been able to. but you heard him in that statement that he made after the ruling talk about i did it because it is good for the country and talked about the plurality of the americans are against the over all plan. but they support some of the individual things like the 26 year olds on the's preexisting
condition. do you see the white house making another perst and second perst to make a first impression or staying off. >> i do think they will make that first impression. democrats said this is a gift and a chance to sell this again in a better way. their language. and i think that there is going to be a lot of pressure on the gop. the house scheduled a full repeel vote . there is a pressure on what they would replace it with. and i think the gop has to weigh carefully in proving they would offer something better. >> i think that democrats do have an opportunity to say we are the party that believe in uniscrersal coverage. look at your interview with mcconnell. they could make that. >> we'll have to leave it there. we'll see you next week. don't forget to check out panel
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